Say My Name, Say My Name

What’s in a name? More than most people realize.

Welcome to Season 2 of Akka's Unsolicited Advice! We're back with a conversation inspired by the recent debate surrounding Indian Americans who anglicize or adapt the pronunciation of their names. While the internet often treats it as a simple choice, the reality is much more personal.

In this episode, we share the stories behind our names, what they mean to our families, and how they've changed depending on the spaces we've occupied-- from our homes to our classrooms, workplaces, and everywhere in between. We explore the tension between preserving culture and navigating a world where not everyone is willing to learn your name, and how those experiences shape our sense of identity.

Ultimately, this episode isn't about deciding the "right" way to say a name. It's about recognizing that our names belong to us. Whether we choose to use the traditional pronunciation, adapt it, shorten it, or embrace different versions in different spaces, that choice is ours, and ours alone.

Because our names tell our stories, but we get to decide how they're told.

Transcript

Aarthi 0:00

Welcome back to Akka's Unsolicited Advice. I'm your host, Aarthi, and today Dharshini and I are going to talk about our names. For a lot of us, our names carry history. They're connected to our language, our families, or our religions, but they also exist in spaces where people don't always know how to pronounce them, don't try to pronounce them, or sometimes encourage us to change them to make things easier. Many Indian Americans, and generally immigrants more broadly, have navigated this in different ways. Some of us shorten our names, some of us offer a nickname, some of us correct people every single time. And some of us have different pronunciations depending on the spaces we're in. Recently, there's been a lot of conversation online criticizing people for anglicizing or adapting their names. There was the Anirudh Pisharody incident that most of us or many of us remember, but the reality is more complicated than that. Names live at the intersection of identity, belonging, and survival in spaces that weren't always built for us. In this episode, we're gonna talk about our own experiences with names, how they've been pronounced or mispronounced, changed, protected, or adapted over time, and what it means to reclaim them in a way that feels authentic to us. So, Dharsh, what does your name mean and who actually chose it?

Dharshini 1:34

So my full name is Pondharshini, and Pon Dharshini is like gold Darshan basically. And I Darshan is like you go to a temple and you take Darshan so you get the blessings, or you go and see the god and viewing and things like that. So my grandfather chose that name because the there was a temple right opposite of the house that my father grew up in. And when my grandfather was going through his various business losses or just career setbacks and lack of money, lack of resources, unsure of how he was gonna feed his family next, he found a lot of comfort in that temple that he had gone to that was right outside the, that was right across the house. And the name of that ammon, that goddess was Ponni Aman. Now, since we already have a Ponni in the family, and since Ponni is also the nickname that they used to call my oldest cousin Aruna, they decided that they would just take the Pon from Ponni and name me Pondharshini. So it was my grandfather's idea, and I really, really love the meaning behind it.

Aarthi 2:47

Wait, that's so nice. I wish I knew like the deeper meaning of why my so my dad picked my name Aarthi. He spelt my name too because he wanted it to be spelled in a way that people would be able to pronounce it correctly. Because Aarthi is phonetically spelled the way I spell it, like with the two A's, R, T, H, I. Let me tell you, people still struggle with it. But Aarthi means like welcoming. It's like the thingy that you do when you welcome someone into your home. I do think it's really interesting for family, a family as a religious as ours to pick like wildly religious names. But you know, it is what it is. I also think I actually have a really fun, I don't know if it's a fun story, about how my name was chosen. My dad decided our names. My mom's numerous suggestions were shut down. So, like, she did all the work. My dad picked our names, but it's fine. Aarthi and Arun, nice and short, because my dad didn't want us to spell like long names like his name. So no, it is what it is, what it is. But then my dad also chose the longest way to spell my name. So yeah.

Dharshini 4:02

True.

Aarthi 4:03

Growing up, do you did people like pronounce your name correctly? At school, obviously, not at home. I hope people at home pronounced your name correctly.

Dharshini 4:13

That good point. Um, no, no, I can't remember a single time. I people still don't do it correctly, and I say it correctly now. So yeah, no, there was not a single person that ever name like said my name correctly at school or at work or wherever I went in. Like, even Dharshini, they say dar, they say dar-shini. I'm like, where are you getting the D A? I'm like, I'm very confused because it's D H. Shouldn't that tell you it's Dharshini? But it's not for a lot of people. So I I actually don't ever remember a time where an Indian person or a non-Indian person pronounced my name correctly growing up. It was hard.

Aarthi 4:53

I feel like everyone went directly to the R and the T in the middle of my name and were like RT. And I'm like, why would my dad add all these extra letters, sir? If my name was RT. Yeah. Like, come on. I remember the first person who pronounced my name correctly, or like, okay, correctly is such a subjective concept, pronounced my name the way I would like it to be pronounced. It was Isabel Jordan in third grade, and she was like, Aarthi. And I know that my name is Aarthi, but for all intents and purposes, my name is Aarthi. And Isabel Jordan, who I haven't spoken to in like four billion years and will probably never hear me shout her out, is the first person who pronounced my name correctly. And that obviously is such a random fact, but so ingrained emotionally for me because I was the first time that ever someone actually like gave a shit enough outside of my home to like say my name the way that I wanted it to be said. Because I remember like at school, so I grew up in a really, really small town, so like I knew exactly when my name was when the teacher was calling attendance in class, and it was like right after Robbie Brennan. Not me calling out like all of Metuchen high school right now, but I was right after Robbie Brennan in like every single class, and they would he they would always be like Robbie Brennan and then like pregnant pause, and I'd be like, Aarthi, Aarthi Chezian, this like perfectly like if you can read English, you can say my name the way I would like you to say it. But like the pregnant pause is like always what I remember, and I'm like, I am here.

Dharshini 6:34

Yeah.

Aarthi 6:36

A A rthi. I so I have a short name. I like never really needed a nickname. Like, sure, people call me Arth, but like, or like something like that, but everyone always calls me Aarthi. What are why like you I know you have like 800 nicknames. Do you like did someone else think of them? Did you suggest them? Like, how'd those come to be?

Dharshini 7:01

Yeah, that's a it's a long story. It's a story I hate. But I when I was six, I was so I moved to the US when I was three. And then when I was six years old, I forget why. I think it was either a visa issue or a flight issue. I'm they're two very different things, but I joined school a month late. And when I I was in India, and when I moved here, I was a month late. And so I was a new kid by like a month, but I still remember that the teacher, which in today's day and age, this would not fly, but I remember her looking at me and saying, Your name's really long. Can we call you something else? And I don't know why. I don't know why that I I don't know why I didn't just say Dharshini. That's what everyone calls me. But I was, I think I was I was nervous, all these kids were looking at me, I was this new kid, and I was I just didn't know what to say. So I said, because that's what up uh that's what my grandmother calls me from time to time. And that's not my name, it has nothing to do with my name, but it was similar enough, and they but they called me Pani. Like they're like, oh hi, Pani. Yeah, and I was like, water? I mean, I didn't know that water back then, because I didn't really, I still don't know very much Hindi, but I I that stuck until fourth grade. And and finally I was like, listen, that's not my name. Can we can we like figure out like can it be like can it be can we change it to something that sounds similar but still connected to my name? And that's how Pondy came. It was as close as I could get them to my actual name. But for like three years, people used to call me Pani, and I'm like, that is not a name, sir. That is a beverage.

Aarthi 8:58

That is a beverage.

Dharshini 9:01

But then they call me Pondi, so that that still stuck. That's that has still stuck, right? Like people at work still call me it, my best friends know me by it. It's not my preference, but it is what I think just kind of stuck. And my name is so long, it's 12 letters Pondharshini. I do I think people should have tried more, yes. Do I think that Dharshini and Pondharshini are beautiful in its own way? Yes, is pawn. Like I do try now, time to time to introduce myself as Dharshini, but it's hard. It's hard. So yeah, I I really hate it, but that's kind of how it all came to be.

Aarthi 9:41

See, that's like interesting. I like first of all, I hate that story and I hate that teacher that did that to you. She's on my list. Good. But I feel like at I've like grown into being kind of protective over Aarthi. Like, I don't like it when I go into like new spaces or like and I like meet like new people and it's like a work setting or like a social setting, and it's not a home setting. And like I meet another Indian person and they're like Aarthi, and I'm like, Aarthi's not for you. And I know that's like weird, but I just feel like Aarthi's for my family. Not that anyone actually calls me by name, no one ever calls me by my actual name. I'm always something else, but I feel like Aarthi for me feels like my mom's calling talkie to me or my parents, like it's my family thing, and I feel like Aarthi is for other people.

Dharshini 10:30

That's interesting.

Aarthi 10:32

So, like when I was talking about the Anirudh Pisharody thing, and like how everyone was like on him for pronouncing his name in differently, I feel like people are allowed to decide how their names are pronounced because it's their name and it's nobody else's name except theirs. And if how they pronounce it in certain settings is their preference, then they're allowed to have that because who is everyone else to decide how someone else's name is pronounced?

Dharshini 11:02

I agreed 100% agree.

Aarthi 11:04

What like what Sir? It's their name. I also like what was I gonna say? I also feel like Aarthi is so rare to come up because usually my mom doesn't call me by my name. My dad calls me like Maharani, never kindly, always sarcastically. My mom calls me like Yerma Madu, which Yerma right here. But like it's affectionate, right? Like I feel like every you every relationship that I have has like a like a name and a relationship, and it's very unique to that. So I feel like my name isn't limited to Aarthi, my name isn't limited to Aarthi, my identity isn't limited to like one correct way or one specific way to pronounce it. And I am very, very empathetic towards like the Indian Americans who pronounce their names exactly the way they want to pronounce it. Like, same with like Mindy Kaling. Because isn't her name like Vera Mindy Sokalingam? That's her actual name. Really? Yep, Sokalingam. She got the Kaling from Sokalingam. Oh, that makes sense, right? But like that's her life. Yeah. You gotta live it the best it is. How do you feel when or does it does it ever happen? Do people do people criticize you for like being called something different in different spaces? Like, do people are like, why do you let people call you Pondy?

Dharshini 12:40

Yeah, all the time. I get it from our family. I get it from like random coworkers, believe it or not. I still remember sometime last year where you know, some a person came up to me and it was, I think it was like a happy hour, and she was like, Your name's not Pondy. I'm like, um, I'm sorry. And she was like, Your name is Pondharshini. How could you shorten such a beautiful name? Blah, blah, blah. And I was like, hey, it's really not about that. It's about what I've fallen into, and it's okay. Like, I'm okay with being Pondi at work and Dharshini at home. Like it's it's really it's kind of like an armor, it's kind of a separation for me. I'm okay with it. But she, I don't, she didn't, she didn't really get it. I even I still remember one time I was interviewing someone for a job, and they gave me a hard time about it. I was like, excuse me, when did this reverse? So I like I've I've I I get it all the time from various different people, and like I think especially because I know we joke a lot about you know, pondy, pandi, right?

Aarthi 13:45

But I get it all from like the pandi is not because of pondy, the pandi is because your mom calls you a pandi, okay? That's true. My mom does call me a pandi.

Dharshini 13:54

But this also, like I get it from a lot of family. They're like, oh, it sounds so close to pandi. You want to be a pandi? I'm like, listen, you worry about your own life. Okay, it's it's like just like honestly. You worry about your own things. Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. It's okay. Like, most people don't know, but I do I do hate those questions. I hate the questioning though, because I'm like, I'm doing, it's not that I respect my name any less or care for my name any less. I didn't get to choose, right? Like this is just kind of what happened and I was so young. And now, okay. I've I've now there's a world where I'm okay with it because there's a separation for me, and I appreciate the separation. But honestly, you do you, I'll do me. We don't have to do everything together, you know. I'm like, it's it's fine, it's fine. So I I've learned to deal with it.

Aarthi 14:54

Do you ever wish like now that we're all like evolved and secure and shit, this is we can talk about this. Do you ever wish that you had an easier name for like being American? No. You're so evolved.

Dharshini 15:12

Yeah, no, but like it took me, it took me a long time. Like I still remember like I still remember being like 13, like wondering, oh my god, like when I'm 18, should I change my name? Like should I legally change my name? Like I was so frustrated because like that that whole pregnant pause thing, I was so I would hate, like I was already an awkward kid. And then couple that with the fact that uh when there's a substitute teacher, I would hate a substitute teacher. I'm like, man, everyone knows, everyone's gonna be looking at me, like just like the anxiety, the feeling of anxiousness, like just around my name. And I really hated the first day of school. Like I I hated the first day of school. And I would just like I'd be so happy if I had teachers that knew me because they would just say Pondi. But it was it was so frustrating. Like I still remember I would even go to teachers, like like I would go early to classes and tell them, hey, my name is not Pondharshini, it's Pondi. Like, so yes, back then I was really, really insecure about it. But now, like, it took like I think I was like 17, and I was telling my grandfather about how frustrated I was, and he looked at me with this like really hurt expression, and very rarely does that man show emotion. So, and he looked and he's like, You don't you don't like the name I chose? And my heart broke. It just just in half broke. And at that moment, I was like, Who gives who gives a fuck? Like, this is my name. Someone named me this, and it has such a beautiful story behind it. Someone named me this because they wanted me to represent their life story. Who cares if people can't pronounce it? I love it, I love my name. Will I name my children shorter names? Absolutely, right? Yeah, that's the thing, but I I absolutely love my name. And I think while I spent so much of my younger life or younger self wishing it was different, I would not change it for anything in the world now.

Aarthi 17:21

I mean, I wouldn't change my name now for sure. That's like, first of all, a lot of paperwork. It's not that yeah, but I feel like so. What my mom wanted to name me, well, let's go all the way back to 1994. My mom wanted to name me Madhumita. I am the most not Madhumita energy individual ever, like terrible, terrible choice. My dad shot it down basically because it was like incredibly long and he didn't like it. But had I been, so my whole theory when I was younger is had I been Madumita, Madumita can be shorter, shortened to Maddie. Yeah. And I could have been Maddie. And you know who can say Maddie? Everyone. Everyone can say Maddie. That's true. My life would have been so much easier, so much easier. But I that doesn't fit, and I get it, it doesn't fit. But that was like the running thought. Like, man, if only mom had gotten her way, we would have been Madhumita and Ashwin. Terrible name. God, Ashwin, seriously. But it would have been like completely different, and I'm obviously not sad about it anymore. I mean, Aarthi's great. Who else has two A's? You're like inherently a superior person. Um do you have two A's? You don't? No, I have one for you. Um do you think so a lot of the criticism behind like changing your name or like making your name like fit better in like American like mouths is like losing your culture? Do you feel like that's a valid criticism?

Dharshini 19:12

No. I didn't mean either. Is your culture really that depend? Like is it is your I think the way I think this kind of like ties back into like our religion episode, right? I don't need my name to be Tamil to know that I'm Tamil. Just like I don't need a religion to guide me from to tell me what is right and wrong, right? Like I I am inherently Tamil. I am Tamil. Like I think and I embrace all parts of me being Tamil. I don't understand why me being Pondi changes, makes takes away from that identity. I think the way I behave and the way I live my life and the things that I subscribe to and what I surround myself with, that's what defines me. My name does, don't get me wrong, my name does, but I don't but I don't think that I really need my name, like my name is the baseline for my identity, right? Yeah, I just I don't get it. I think it's a name. Yeah, I don't get it. I think it's a name. Maybe, maybe that's too simple.

Aarthi 20:24

I just really don't think it's that serious. Like if if your entire like cultural identity is like destroyed by you calling me going by Aarthi, I mean Aarthi instead of Aarthi, like that's like a little concerning. Like, how fragile is my cultural identity that my pr the pronunciation of my name is causing a complete and utter breakdown. Like, relax. I think there's a lot of other things that I do that probably question are my cultural breakdown.

Dharshini 20:54

I was about to say many more things for me.

Aarthi 20:57

Yeah, no, like they're way worse things. My name is the least of my problems, but I also think for me, I'm really, really attached to how my name is spelled. I don't like it when people spell my name wrong. It I like I don't care. I I literally won't care if you pronounce my name wrong, but if you spell my name wrong, I get hecka mad. And I feel like a lot of it is like one, like obviously like Indian people have a lot of different ways to spell Arti. There's A-R-T-H-I, there's A-R-T-I, there's A-A-R-T-I, like everybody got their own spelling. So a lot of people assume how to spell my name. Yeah. And so like they'll decide that's how my name is spelled, and they'll drive me up a wall. And if you've like, if what you're spelling it off is of me telling you, by all means, like people are allowed to make mistakes. You're making assumptions about how my name is spelled. Yeah, I don't like it when I'm emailing you and You can see my goddamn name spelled in when I say best Aarthi. And then you email me back, A-R-T-I. Yeah. Comma, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, can you not read what I just wrote? Yeah. Right there. I remember an incident, my like old program director, one of my old program directors in residency. So everyone knows how I feel about it. Cause I get really mad when people spell my name wrong. One of my program directors in residency was emailing the whole like residency class and like multiple times spelled my name wrong. Everyone knows how I don't like it. So one of my co-residents responded to the email with my name spelled correctly in all caps. Said this, this, this, this. And I'm sitting there going, Oh my god, I've never felt so defended in my life. But I do feel like even like when you were talking about that classroom story about how like you would go ahead and you would be like, hey, this is my name kind of thing. My friends are like rabid. When we were growing up, they would like say it before anyone else had a chance to. They would be like, Oh, that's Aarthi. No, you said her name wrong, her name is Aarthi. And no, like, my friends are rabid.

Dharshini 23:23

I absolutely love that.

Aarthi 23:25

Yeah, yeah. So I just I never felt alone in it because a lot of them would always be like, No, you're saying her name wrong. Actually, she's not gonna say anything, but you're saying her name wrong. Same with my last name. So my last name, I pronounce it differently than what is my dad's name. So my last name is my dad's first name. It's Chezian, it is not Chezian, it's actually Chezian. But I don't say that. He doesn't say that, but my mom says it. So my mom's like Dr. Chilean, because that's what everyone calls her, because they can't say Chezian correctly. They call her Dr. Chilean, and they call me Dr. Chezian, same name. So, you know, it's whatever space you prefer, right? Yeah, I think so. Ma'am. Do you think younger generations are more confident about like keeping their names intact?

Dharshini 24:28

Yeah, I think so. I I think for I see it in Anjali and Jeevan. Right? Where Ponni Akka, and but also I see but they're also different, right? Like Jeeven will correct people. I've seen him correct people. He's like, no, it's not Jee-van, it's Jeevan. Jivon, Jivan, yeah. Yeah, he's like, no, Jeevan. Like I've I've seen that kid correct people, but Anjali does also, but Anjali is more of like, I don't care. Anjali, Anjali was fine. Anjali, just say something that sounds similar. So I find that interesting because I never felt like with for Jeevan, I I never once felt secure enough to correct someone on my name, right? Like, you know, I'm doing this thing now where when I meet people, I introduce myself as Dharshini more and more. Like in my personal life, I've been introducing people as like, hey, I'm Dharshini, not Pondi. And I find it so hard when they say dharshini, I'm like, huh, do I correct?

Aarthi 25:26

Like, didn't I just say it? Like, can you not hear?

Dharshini 25:29

Exactly. But I find I find it so hard because I'm like trying to do this thing where I'm trying to introduce myself, like, like really create that divide of like, okay, professional, it's Pondi. Personally, it's Dharshini. So if I'm meeting someone like my neighbors or something, it's gonna be Dharshini. But I have a hard time when they pronounce it wrong. I'm like, uh, what do I say? The whole point of this, I guess, is to get people to say my name properly, but I might like I still like I'm doing it intentionally and I still feel so insecure, but I'm just I'm so impressed with Jeevan. And I think other kids as well, they they're like, no, this is this is really, really important to us. And you actually have to pronounce our name right. Like, this is not an option. Like, and I think that wasn't that was just an option, right? Like someone could pronounce it right, pronounce it wrong, give me a new nickname. Like, that's not a reality for kids these days. We, like I said, like it would never fly today if a teacher said, Your name's too long, I'm gonna give you a nickname.

Aarthi 26:31

Yeah, that we would never do everyone would lose their minds. Right. I think like something that I try and do, especially since I'm like in a lot of academic spaces, is whenever I meet in a new person, I'm always like, if tell me how to pronounce your name, A. B, if I pronounce your name wrong, I want you to correct me. Like, I want you to be like, hey, that's not how you say my name, because I think that how you're how you want your name to be pronounced is the correct way. And I just feel like people shouldn't accommodate to that just because they're talking to like a superior or something, because I wouldn't have said anything, and I want the people I work with to feel like safe enough to correct me so their name is pronounced right, because I think that's a really important fact, yeah. To continue. I just think that's like just culturally appropriate, yeah. Just human decency as well. It is human decency. I think that people are who they say they are, and that's it, like period, end of sentence. And that's it's our job to just respect that. If you could go back, we're going back in time, we're in class, you're walking into the classroom, and your teacher is like hey, your name is too long. Should we shorten it? Would you approach it differently?

Dharshini 27:51

Yeah, I'd say fuck off. Uh but how old were you?

Aarthi 27:57

Like four?

Dharshini 27:59

Six. Six, even though. I didn't even know. I didn't even know that word. Um I think I would say you can call me Dharshini. Yeah, I I would change. I would I would go back in time. I don't let me be real, I don't regret the decision. Like a lot of things were happening in that moment, and I don't think it's fair to blame a six-year-old you're overwhelmed and whatnot. It's fine. It happened. I've found a way to live with it and to accept it. And now it's I find actually kind of I find it kind of beneficial because you know, I can do this podcast under Dharshini and then have this professional life at role at my company that says Pondi, you know, like I can I can separate the two. But I if I were to go back, I think a hundred percent I would say, oh, if if you find it hard, you can call me Dharshini. I yeah, no regrets, but I I would change it. I would change it. I think it would have made life okay. But I mean, it was never good, it would we wouldn't have changed the fact that like school, like they was hard. Yeah, yeah. Ponda, what you know, I think that would have still happened, but I think people didn't even try though.

Aarthi 29:18

Like, I hated that they didn't try. Like, can you read? You can say my name if you can read. And if you cannot say my name, that means you cannot read. And what you do in here acting like a substitute teacher right now.

Dharshini 29:30

Yeah, or just just listen. Just listen. If I'm saying Pondharshini, that's not Pon-dar-chini. I like I still remember just recently at work. Yes, I'm like, oh, my name is Pondharshini. And he went, oh, Pondar Shini. I'm like, what the f what what did you listen to?

Aarthi 29:49

Do you have auditory processing issues, sir? Yeah, like what?

Dharshini 29:53

I get it if you can't say the the is hard or the uh, like whatever, but you just changed the whole name. Listen, if you can say Tchaikovsky, yes, you can fucking say Pondharshini.

Aarthi 30:06

It's not that hard. This is like a controversial question. Do you think that you would give your children Tamil names? Yeah. You're such a better person than me. God.

Dharshini 30:21

No, no, no, no. I I mean we talk about Sarash and I talk about names a lot. I don't have children, but I have my children's names chosen.

Aarthi 30:31

I don't like human beings and I never want to procreate, and I have a list of baby names.

Dharshini 30:37

Yeah, yeah, see. But they're all short. I'm not gonna tell what they are, but they're all short. They're all like I can do that again. But I would definitely do it. I I think like for me, I really I say that I'm gonna say something, and I know that everything I've said so far probably contradicts it, but I really enjoyed having a thumble name. I enjoyed having a name with meaning. I enjoyed that there was there was a thought process behind my name, right? Past, oh, it sounds nice, right? I really, really value the fact that my grandfather put his life story in my name. And I'll never forget that. And I I hope to do the same for my children. I I don't I don't care if they're Tamil names or Marathi names or whatever, but I think I would definitely choose Indian names that have a meaning to me because I that's a tradition I want to continue. But yeah, I would name them for sure.

Aarthi 31:46

So my imaginary daughter, who is going to remain imaginary, I would what have you ever heard of my like Anapurini pati? Yes, I love that story. You need to say that again. I love it. So, so my body, so that is my dad's mom's mom. So she came from like an actual, like decently affluent family, but she was married into married in as a second wife to some guy whose wife died. But while she was pregnant with my grandma, this is also like excellent storytelling. I this is gonna be a great story. When she was pregnant with my grandma, he passed away, and her his family yeeted her out of the house while she was pregnant, and she went back to her father's home. But when she got married, she like got married with a dowry, and they wouldn't give back her dowry after they kicked her out of the house after the guy died. So she actually like went to like the local court and fought to get her dowry back and like won. And she did this without the support of her father, like her father did not think it was a good idea, like this was like on her own without community support. Like, either she was still pregnant at the time or like just had my grandma, like single mom, widow, and she won. And like what a badass, like, truly like if we're wondering why we're all like this, like that's that's who that's the reason why we're all like this. Yeah, I love that. I love that 100%, and I feel like that is like the most inspirational thing, and I do think that some of my cousins kind of have her name like in their name, like I have like Purnima athachi. But if I have a daughter, I want to name her Ana, and then her middle name be Purani, so I can still get my easy name that we're spelling and uh like be about my grandma, my great grandma. But I love that. But this will this child will never exist because that's horrifying. I'm not gonna have children, and that's okay.

Dharshini 34:06

It's a beautiful story for a child that may or may not ever exist.

Aarthi 34:10

You never know, likely not, but she's gonna have a great name if she does. Exactly. That's what matters. And on that note, and that lovely trauma if my mom is listening to this episode. Thank you so much for listening to us today. Let us know. Do you guys pronounce your names the way you're supposed to? We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye.